Dave Winer says he can bootstrap a development community around WordPress, with WordLand as the first app. However, he has been talking about this since September 2025. Stop talking and show us the beef!
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“Collaboration” is not always bullshit
I recently read a post by Joan Westenberg (via Dave Winer) regarding the productivity of software developers (titled “”Collaboration” is bullshit.”). Westenberg refers to several instances of a small percentage of individuals creating the majority of value. This historically has been called “Pareto’s rule” or “the Pareto principle”, although Westenberg does not refer to this concept.
The post then moves to a rant on the “collaboration industry” (use of Agile tools/concepts) and how teams have moved from taking responsibility for their work to looking at communication and collaboration as the main output. From the examples given, I wonder if Westenberg has ended up being on a lot of teams like this and observed this pattern repeatedly. A representative pull-quote:
“Communication matters, and shared context matters. But there’s a huge difference between communication and collaboration as infrastructure to support individual, high-agency ownership, and communication and collaboration as the primary activity of an organisation. Which, if we’re honest, is what most collaboration-first cultures have actually built. They’ve constructed extraordinarily sophisticated machinery for the social management of work, without actually doing the work they’re socialising about. “
I can agree with some of this sentiment. The work is what matters, not the work in the tool. When I was first exposed to Agile practices 10 years ago, it took a while to understand how the tools and concepts worked together to produce results. I found that if the work is organized so the work needed to meet a milestone was clear, Agile tools (like Jira) can make it easier to see if that work is getting done. However, that was only one leg of the stool. The other legs were (2) a schedule, tasks, and milestones that are being tracked, and (3) a person in charge who has agency to manage the effort.
I have worked in the aerospace industry for 40 years, and I can testify that when those three legs are present, teams can be successful, and I have been the person in charge on those types of teams. The problems start when one or more of these legs is missing. When I have joined a new team, the first thing that I ask for is the schedule. This tells me what the plan is for the project. To me, a plan is a schedule, clearly defined tasks, and milestones. If I hear the words “we don’t have a schedule”, that is an immediate signal that the project is in trouble or will be soon. Without a schedule, tasks and milestones, how does the team know what they are doing, or what is the “definition of done”, or when are they supposed to get things done? That is as deadly as the “collaboration culture” that Westenberg describes. It is hard to know if you are “on schedule” if there is no schedule. For the record, most of the teams I have worked on or with did not have this “collaboration culture” problem. We had a schedule, and we knew what needed to get done, and what “done” meant.
On tracking whether the work is getting done, this can be done in many ways. Teams don’t have to use Agile practices to get work done, and they don’t have to use tools like Jira to track work. However, to be a successful team, there has to be A WAY to track the work. Finally, there has to be a single person in charge who monitors the work, makes decisions that affect the team, protects the work of the team, and is the “honest broker” if the team performance is not meeting expectations, or if schedule or cost targets are aggressive or unrealistic (i.e., the person who has overall responsibility). Sometimes the story that the data tells is “we are going to be three weeks late”. With that data, you can have a conversation about how to mitigate issues (reduce scope, add resources, whatever). Without that data, it is much more difficult to have a productive conversation. In my career, I have observed a number of team leaders who had problems in having these types of conversations.
The last area I want to address is the makeup of teams. Yes, team leaders (and their leaders) would always like to have the “best” people on a team (read that “most productive/top performers”). That is usually not the case. In most situations, the team leader has to work with the people assigned. This may require coaching, mentoring, adjusting work assignments to match with skills, or other actions. As mentioned above, if the work is being tracked, the team leader can make adjustments to keep making progress. If problems are still occurring after making adjustments, that data can support a conversation regarding resources/assignments.
To sum up, Westenberg makes some good observations about productivity within groups. I understand the digs on “collaboration”, but I would say that the teams and cultures described in the post have problems beyond “collaboration”, which my “three legs” mention above would address. Perhaps Westenberg should find some better teams to work with….
One more thing – use of Agile tools and concepts are meant to help teams be more productive. If that is not the case, the environment where the tools are being used should be examined. Perhaps there is a lack of will to have a “crucial conversation” about the story that the data is telling….
PS – I found this piece through a link from Dave Winer. I disagree with Dave Winer’s statement as he links to the Westenberg piece . People use different products to do different things. In most situations, standards have nothing to do with the selection of the products. Dave is focused on writing tools and communicating using social networks, and yes, if every social network service used the same standards/formats, there could be easy interoperability between writing tools for those social networks. However, as I have written before, there is not much incentive for companies/developers to cooperate, and users are not demanding that services have interoperability. I think Dave Winer should look to other examples rather that the Westenberg post to support his assertion.
Joan Westenberg wrote a piece on collaboration, I think she got some things wrong, as well as Dave Winer in his link text – will post later today on this topic
Does Dave Winer really want a RSS-based social web?
I am sorry to have to continue this thread, but there are more developments to assess. In a followup, Dave Winer shares he does not get much in the way of views of his content on Twitter. He then tells Ben Werdmuller (and the rest of us) that “we have to create our own social web”.
Well, there’s the rub, isn’t it! If someone wants to have a social web based on RSS, they are going to have to create it themselves, instead of trying to “boil the ocean” and get every other social network software platform to add features to use RSS as the transport mechanism for social network applications. Then, they are going to have to convince other people to use it instead of existing social network software.
From the Mastodon About page, Eugen Rochko created Mastodon in 2016 because he was “dissatisfied with the state and direction of Twitter”. That was 9 years ago! Mastodon as an application has taken a long time to reach the position it holds today. rssCloud has been supported in Dave Winer’s blogging tools since 2001, and rssCloud support was added to WordPress in 2009 (see reference here), but there has been almost no uptake of rssCloud as a basis for blogging or social network tools. Perhaps part of the reason why is how Dave Winer responds to negative feedback on his tools in a negative way (examples: Feedland and Drummer).
I have described what a social network should have, and that definition covers all current social networking applications. Dave Winer gave his own description of a RSS-based Twitter app in January 2025, and it matches up pretty well with the app I developed, My Status Tool (demo version, repo for code). I also created a portal site for RSS-based apps for social networking (The Feed Network), so there is a place for people to get started (but I do not see it as my mission to try to evangelize this area). Dave has talked about what his new vision would be using WordLand (September 2025), but this “new vision” is nowhere to be seen. Show us the beef!
Do users want a “Really Simple” social web?
I have refrained from commenting on updates from Dave Winer regarding Inbound RSS, two-way RSS, social web based on RSS…fill in the blank RSS…, since he did not do a “reveal” on any of the features he said he was going to demo at WordCamp Canada 2025. However, this weekend, he posted another mini-manifesto on RSS-based social web stuff, which deserves a review.
He references three posts by notable writers who have written posts on RSS in the past year. Of the posts, only one hints at more “social web” possibilities for RSS. The overwhelming majority of the content of the posts concerns the classic reasons for using RSS (control the content you read, control the way you read it, filter out shit). So – my first objection to this manifesto is that these prominent users are not sending out calls to action demanding “inbound RSS” or “using RSS as a social network”. The second objection I have is the demand that other people’s software should start supporting two-way RSS (Davespeak for “inbound RSS” and “outbound RSS”). This is nothing new from Dave Winer, but none of these three references say anything at all about this.
I have addressed this second objection before, stating “What is in it for the “other people’s software developers to add inbound and outbound RSS support”? My answer is – nothing – no users are demanding this – no users are clamoring for a RSS-based “social network” that can communicate as a peer with other social network software.
Now, can there be a RSS-based social network that does not peer directly with other social network software (Twitter/Mastodon/BlueSky)? Yes! I created a site to collect the tools that support this – The Feed Network. Many of the tools I list were created by Dave Winer – see a pattern here?
In my opinion, the only way that inbound RSS support will be added to other tools will be by developers other than the main developers. Dave Winer actually did this for WordPress (although I have not looked it, so I cannot confirm if it works or not). I think someone besides Mastodon developers will have to do that development, not sure about Bluesky…but, to re-iterate at the risk of being repetitious, the only person in the world that is making a stink about inbound RSS is…..Dave Winer. Not much user demand there, methinks.
Thoughts on the “Winer WordPress Tease”
Dave Winer has been promoting his editor for WordPress sites, called WordLand, leading up to his keynote speech at WordCamp Canada in October 2025, as well as hinting about other WordPress-related projects. Recently, he asked readers to “Think Different About WordPress“, where he talks about how WordPress supports editing features that Mastodon and Bluesky do not support (linking, no character limits, and other features). WordPress also has “excellent support” for RSS and rssCloud, and has a “deep and powerful API“.
Dave Winer goes on to say that he is providing three things to bootstrap a development community around WordPress: (1) Apps (I assume this refers to WordLand), (2) a storage service (I assume this refers to his wpIdentity NPM package, which he uses for identity for his FeedLand feed reader, and also to provide storage for user writing (although it appears to use the MySQL database associated with a WordPress install)), and (3) content (to me, this is RSS from other sites, implying some feed reader app or link to a feed reader app (like FeedLand)).
Now, how does a development community arise from this? Well, I guess that if people want to use an API to interact with WordPress (create posts, manipulate data in the WordPress database), they can do that, and maybe wpIdentity makes it easier to create Node.js apps that can interact with WordPress (like WordLand). As Dave Winer has mentioned before, though, the WordPress API has been around for a long time, but does not seem to have gotten much use. I am not sure if providing an easier “front end” to an API will increase use of that API. The WordLand app up to this point has been “the example app”, but has been provided as a service (no source code), so it is more of a “working example” for developers, not an app that some one can build on. Finally, Dave Winer has been hinting about an “RSS timeline viewer“, which is perhaps where FeedLand comes in. Again, without the full picture, it is hard to see how these three things are going to spark a growth in WordPress application development.
Finally, Dave Winer posted a podcast on “the last chance for the open web“, in which he talks about WordLand as “really easy way to write for the open web that does not otherwise exist today”, among other topics. I do not see this as the “last chance” for anything. I have written before on the economics of software development and on innovation in RSS and podcasting. The open web is still there, still providing a platform for innovative work. Nobody stopped me from creating MyStatusTool as a Twitter replacement based on rssCloud, and nobody stopped me from collecting rssCloud-based tools at The Feed Network. I know that Dave Winer would like his writing tools to be able to push their content to all social media platforms. Maybe that is the “promised land” that WordPress might provide via the ActivityPub plugin and an AT Protocol plugin (not yet developed). We will have to wait and see…
Starting to look at TDD again
Yesterday, with the help of Google Gemini, I created a small test project to start trying my hand again at test-driven development with Node.js, Express, Mocha, and Chai. After I was able to get the small project to run, I created a starter project as a Github repo, so I can have the same starting point for new projects. Enjoy!
How to update a SSL certificate for a site hosted by Caddy web server
I recently checked a site of mine (Andy Status Tool) that was being served under https using the Caddy web server. However, my browser was telling me that the site was “not secure” and making me click two times to get to the site, and still showing “Not Secure” in the URL window.
I asked ChatGPT what to do about this, and of course it gave me 7-8 things to check/try. I decided to do the third thing (manually trigger certificate renewal). I logged into my server, navigated to the directory that had my Caddyfile, and entered the command “sudo caddy reload –force” (there are two dashes in front of the word “force”). I waited about 10 seconds, then closed the browser tab to my site, opened a new tab, and went to the site again – it was secure again! Thanks ChatGPT!
Music is a robust language
I sing in a church choir, one which typically sings four-part harmony. For many hymns, we start in unison for verse 1, then add parts in later verses. Sometimes, my fellow tenor and I will try to sing our part, but decide to shift to unison. Sometimes, when I sing, I sing the wrong pitch, or the wrong words. However, the music goes on – in general, the choir continues singing. Even in cases where the director may make a change (going to another verse due to the entrance of the priest not being complete), the choir follows, using their musicality to keep the music going.
In all these instances, the printed music provides the framework for the musical performance. As a counter-point, source code for computer software is a fragile language – one semi-colon out of place and everything stops…
In The Car Podcast – November 23, 2024
I recorded this on 11/23/2024, so I am using that in the title, even though I am posting it 2 days later. Coves the election, what to do next, and what technical projects I think I will work on next.
Links referenced in the podcast:
Emptywheel: What next?
Emptywheel: Lessons from Red States on How to Push Back
Oregon Public Broadcasting: Responding to residents proved foundational in Gluesenkamp Perez victory as district picked Trump
CNN: Gallego offers advice to Democrats after winning in state Trump won
The East Is A Podcast: I was referencing this episode
Datasette: Datasette is a tool for exploring and publishing data. It helps people take data of any shape, analyze and explore it, and publish it as an interactive website and accompanying API.
Federated Wiki: Main Github repo