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Zettlekasten – the recipe looks great, show us the beef!

This morning, I saw that Chris Aldrich has written an excellent overview of zettlekasten-note taking techniques and history. Ton Zijlstra comments that the article is great, and is itself a product of a zettlekasten, so Chris is “practicing what he preaches”. I agree with Ton’s compliment, but I still have one nagging qualm – what does the zettlekasten itself look like? In July 2022, Chris Aldrich called for public examples of zettlekasten output, which he has created a great example in his recent post. But what about the zettlekasten itself? As I state in the title (a play on the classic Wendy’s hamburger commercial) – show us the beef! Show us what was collected and how it was collected so we (humanity) can try to learn from your experiences. Of all my looking through Zettlekasten.de, I have found only one post with semi-specific information about actual zettlekasten cards/notes. Sounds like a 30-day challenge is in order here…

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  1. Andy, this is a subtle, but brilliant question. Fortunately I’m a guy who not only happens to have lots of hidden context, but lots of it exists online to point you to “the receipts”. Earlier this morning I commented back to Jeremy and Ton on this very topic. Ton had commented broadly that it was interesting to have been watching my note taking and annotation practice using Hypothes.is and seeing pieces of that work emerge in this piece. I know that he follows my RSS feed to do this.
    I responded:
    I was almost tempted to link to the original notes (as many are available publicly online) instead of doing more traditional footnotes to underline the flow of this practice which is often invisible to most readers.
    Centering it and making it more apparent may be a helpful example for those who don’t otherwise “see” it.
    If you’d like you can look back to large portions of my research and note taking practice by searching through my Hypothes.is account. Though it is digital in form, the careful observer will recognize my notes done this way are closer to the older zettelkasten/commonplace book tradition as my notes are discrete, card-like in nature, and heavily tagged with topical keywords. Because it’s digital and searchable, I don’t need to make multiple copies to place behind each headword the way one might need to in a paper analog method. Some of these digital notes even cross the boundary into Luhmann’s method as there are oftentimes explicit links from one note/idea to another. When linked this way, it’s usually a sign that these notes will also be copied over into my physical/analog (Luhmann-esque) zettelkasten for which I primarily save for material that is entirely my own. I generally refrain from putting synopses of other’s material into my own paper ZK.
    Going back and showing all the receipts here is difficult as some on the commonplace tradition were analog notes were made from analog sources not made online. However, if you search some of the keywords in my Hypothes.is repository, you’ll definitely find direct traces for much of what’s in this long piece. Just to highlight one particular example, in part because of its recent and comes more easily to mind, you’ll notice that I made a note about a zettelkasten that I saw in the Netflix series The Crown: https://hypothes.is/a/Cz7e_lHKEe2Qv79IbEgmNw. This note ended up in the final piece as an example with some additional observations about it: https://hyp.is/iIz2VFMSEe2ZQkuNSzVq6w/boffosocko.com/2022/10/22/the-two-definitions-of-zettelkasten/.
    Of course, not all the ideas and observations in the piece were necessarily in my notes to begin with. Some of them arose as new thinking in stringing things together while composing the larger work. Sometime this week, I’ll go back to my own piece and excerpt it for inclusion back into my own corpus of notes for later potential reuse.
    This may not be the mass of one-to-one correspondence evidence you were expecting, but hopefully it’s close enough. Perhaps on a future piece, I’ll do the extra work to make it all more apparent?

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  • In yesterday’s post on Chris Aldrich’s overview of zettelkasten techniques, I asked about seeing the zettelkasten itself. He replied saying most of the content was in his Hypothesis account, and sent me a pointer to an entry. I read through a bunch of pages on zettelkasten stuff yesterday, and I am thinking of starting an open zettlekasten. With a nod to the Working Out Loud crowd, I am going to outline my initial plans in this post.

    The item that Chris showed me was a picture and short caption describing what the picture meant. From this, I could see that an item/card in a zettelkasten could be just a reference to something with a short description. A type of information that I collect on a regular basis is links to posts/articles/things that I read in my feed reader. I have wanted to organize/classify all of these links, but have struggled to get started. I looked at Tom Critchlow’s wiki on his site, and saw a number of references to links where the link and an excerpt or summary was provided. I also saw an article on ZettelKasten.de about filtering flow from RSS feeds into a zettelkasten. From another ZettelKasten.de post, quotes and excerpts from sources are part of the chain of increasing value of knowledge within a zettlekasten system. Finally, Chris Aldrich, in an earlier post, gave his own advice for starting a commonplace book – “The general idea is to collect interesting passages, quotes, and ideas as you read”.

    Based on this survey, I am going to experiment with collecting and organizing links within an OPML document and in Markdown files. Both of these methods of capture should be able to produce an organized output (OPML using XSLT style sheets, Markdown files using Hugo to render them (hopefully like Tom Critchlow’s wiki, even though he used Jekyll). For my five regular readers – let me know what you think!

    PS – I noticed that yesterday I misspelled “zettelkasten” – sorry!

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